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【心得】關於EVA和RahX

樓主 瘋狂唷唷 huisung
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從某些程度上看來,要對比他們比較麻煩,因為EVA像是一部根據日程發展的作品,RahX更迷人,具趣味性,娛樂性。

国国從這點來說,RahX比起EVA來說沒那麼複雜,所以更容易欣賞,我不認為RahX是抄襲了EVA,特別考慮到EVA是一部心理學諷刺和理論分析的大型機器人動畫,此類型早在70年代就有了,換句話說,EVA是遠離了原創性。比起EVA,RahX實際上更多地借用了Megazone 23這部動畫,甚至可以說EVA是深受Megazone 23影響。

国国我認為要成為純藝術性的動畫作品,RahX蓄意的借用了Megazone 23與Evangeion,就像EVA重新使用了20年前兒子駕駛父親的巨型機器人的概念,Gundam,
而這部作品也是參考其他動畫的。

国国總結:我想說RahX與EVA之間的相似點是故意的。

RahX的節局到底發生了什麼,具有什麼涵義

国国不可避免的江要把EVA與RAHX的節局做比較。因為兩部作品有很多的相同點(風格,主題,目的)

国国根據他們的相似點,兩部作品的終結都創照了思想空間。然而,比起EVA,我個人認為RahX和少女革命的論題更為相近。
從表面上說,RahX是一部完整的,具有邏輯的小木偶從玩偶變成男孩科幻故事,如果我的分析準確的話,RahX也可以認為是一部具有關於成長,成熟以及大部分的自主/自我決擇的寓意作品

RahX是一部關於年輕人努力克服幼年不安和恐懼並成為一個具有自我意是與自足的成年人的故事。
EVA講述了一個自尊和自我價值非常弱的少年男孩無法發揮自我潛力並認同自己是一個獨立的人的故事。真嗣把自己當作EVA01的駕駛員,或是父親的兒子,或是明日香發洩的對象,但從不是真嗣。他的窘境從根本上與凌人不同


国国在RahX最終話中,凌人意識到他喪失了以前的記憶,並拒絕其他人對他的愛。他始終在逃避,因為對自己的人性不確定 - 事實上,害怕承認,害怕是完全的Mu族或是人類,孩子或是大人。當他說到他的世界和久遠的世界必需被摧毀並被另一個世界同化,他象徵性得表達了他必需決定他的未來。他可以立足在成人社會中並在世界上有所成就,或是仍由他自己被社會歧視,(由久遠表達)。神為凌人準備了人生的道路,現在是凌人自己決定方向的時候。(結局參考本版~~)

PS:此文章是參考其他的評論文章,再修改而成的(有些動畫沒看過就刪掉了> <)

原文如下

1 Is RahXephon an Evangelion Rip Off?In that respect, RahXephon is less challenging and therefore easier to enjoy and like than Evangelion. I wouldn't say that RahXephon "rips off" Evangelion, especially considering that Evangelion itself is a psychological parody and theoretical analysis of the giant robot anime genre that's existed since the early 1970s. (In other words, Evangelion is very far from "original" itself.) RahXephon actually borrows far more heavily from Megazone 23 than it does Evangelion, and even Evangelion could be said to be heavily influenced by Megazone 23. I think that in its effort to be purely artistic entertainment, RahXephon knowingly pays homage to both Megazone 23 and Evangelion in the same way Evangelion re-uses the concept of a boy piloting his father's giant robot that was used 20 years before in Mobile Suit Gundam, which itself borrowed the idea from even older shows like Tetsujin 28 and Mazinger.
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国国August 20th, 2002
国国Question:
国国Surely you've heard of the debate that's been going on, comparing RahXephon against Eva. Some say it outright rips it off while others say there are similarities but nothing more. I'm curious to see what your take on this is since I'm sure we'll hear about it more once ADV releases this.
国国Answer:
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国国Overexposure has dulled my enthusiasm for Evangelion over the years, but I still like and respect the show very much. Evangelion offers amazing action choreography and a stunning level of intellectual depth and philosophical pontification. RahXephon isn't nearly as intellectual or theoretical, but is instead much more mysterious and subtle and, I dare say, artistic than Evangelion. To some degree I have trouble comparing them because Evangelion seems to be a show with an agenda, a point to make, while RahXephon is much more a show seemingly intended only to be engaging and stimulating and entertaining.
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国国To summarize, I would say that the similarities between RahXephon and Evangelion are intentional. To summarize in an analogy, RahXephon is to Evangelion as Baz Luhrmann's Romeo+Juliet is to Franco Zeffirelli' Romeo & Juliet. Neither is Shakespeare's original, and both are exceptional productions and each enjoyable in their own rights, but one is highly classical and literary while the other is more contemporary and easily accessible.
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国国2 Can You Explain the Ending of RahXephon?
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国国October 23rd, 2002
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国国Question:
国国Can you explain what RahXephon was about or what actually happened at the end?
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国国Answer:
国国Inevitably comparisons will be drawn between the conclusions of Evangelion and RahXephon, but such are to be expected given the similarities between the two shows in style, theme and intent. The imagery of the finales of both shows as well are bound to create speculation based on their similarity. However, if anything, I personally think that RahXephon has more in common thematically with Shoujo Kakumei Utena, another TV anime that tread the same ground, than it does with Evangelion. On its surface, RahXephon is a complete, logical science-fiction story of Pinocchio- the tale of a puppet who becomes a real boy. If my symbolic analysis is accurate, RahXephon may also be taken as a parable of growth, maturity and most of all self-determination.
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国国Like its predecessors Evangelion and Utena, RahXephon is a story about a youth striving to overcome the insecurities and fears of childhood and develop into a self-aware and self-sufficient adult. Evangelion told the story of a young boy whose self esteem and sense of self worth were so minimal that he was unable to self-actualize and recognize himself as an independent person. Shinji defined himself as the Evangelion Unit 01 pilot, or as his father's son, or as the object of Asuka's projected guilt, but never as Shinji Ikari. Shinji's dilemma is fundamentally different from that of Ayato Kamina, although not entirely foreign to the world of RahXephon. RahXephon is a story about not merely coming into oneself, but fulfilling oneself and, like Utena, revolutionizing the world. While "revolutionizing the world" in Utena meant symbolically exchanging the world of adolescence for that of adulthood, RahXephon plays on both the internal, mental evolution of Ayato Kamina's own psychological world, and on the external level of Ayato physically altering the world around him by effecting the people that surround him.
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国国In the final episodes of RahXephon, Ayato recognizes that he has lost his memories of his past and has refused to recognize the love extended to him by Haruka and Hiroko and Elvy and Megumi. He's always running away because he's uncertain of his own humanity- in effect, afraid of commitment, afraid to be completely Murian or human, child or adult. When he says that either his or Quon's world must be destroyed and absorbed by the other, he symbolically means that he must determine his own future. He can either take his place in adult society and make his mark on the world, or allow himself to be absorbed, marginalized and victimized by society and life itself, represented by Quon. God has set Ayato on the road of life, and it's now time for Ayato himself to choose his own direction and purpose. Literally, as the final episode reveals, Lord Barbem is the deistic god of RahXephon who created the board, set the pieces in motion, then stepped back to watch how the game would play out. Ayato is one of the pieces given the choice of not moving, moving as expected, or making his own rules and moving as he desires.
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国国Quon, in the form of Ishitori, seeks to destroy Ayato in the final episode. Quon may be considered the external influence of the world. In Ayato's mind she explains to him that she is part of him and he, part of her. She also helps him come to realize that he is not alone in the world and that he does have the power to change his own life and change the world around him. At the same time, she is the pressure to grow and mature. If Ayato does not make up his own mind and exert his full potential, he will die, be destroyed. Ayato's choice is to either forcibly exercises his will on the world by accepting the woman he loves and making sacrifices and accepting his own identity, or be squashed underfoot and absorbed into the larger world as a nameless, faceless pawn. In the same way, Ayato's mother Maya urges Haruka to make her own fate, shape her own future. Actually, both Maya and Megumi prod Haruka to fulfill her own dream and chase after what she wants. Just as Ayato is never really alone, Haruka as well has people around her that support her and encourage her to grow and mature and shape her own future by her own will.
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国国Itsuki and Makoto and Maya and Sayoko are all in the same situation as Ayato. They recognize themselves as only roles or clones, not individuals. Their inability to will themselves into being anything than mere clones or pawns results in them not being able to exist in the world. In the Darwinistic world of RahXephon, the strong survive. Characters that don't have the will or determination to force their own personality and desires onto and into the world become nothing more than victims and sacrifices. Characters like Ayato and Haruka and Megumi make an active effort to achieve their desires and express themselves. Itsuki, who sees himself as nothing more than Ayato's useless brother; Makoto, who is obsessed with being a "D"; Maya, who sees herself as nothing more than Ayato's mother; and Sayoko, who cannot accept the fact that she's a clone, but likewise cannot graduate into recognizing herself as an independent individual, do not make efforts to survive or adapt or recognize themselves as valuable, independent people. They do not value their individuality or self-worth and as a result, cease to exist when their self-defined purpose is fulfilled.
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国国Ayato does exert his own will. He recognizes and accepts that he is not alone, is not an island unto himself, and makes a conscious decision to commit to those circumstances. By revealing that Reika Mishima was actually Haruka all along (or at least RahXephon's "astral projection" of Harkua), the animation reveals to the viewer that Ayato has never been totally alone. The spirit of his first love has always been with him and supported him and gives him a reason to break out of his shell. As the omnipresent birds, and the final imagery of Ayato in Ishitori form all strive to convey, Ayato figuratively spreads his wings. When Ayato "tunes the world," he attunes himself to the world by proclaiming his individuality and announcing to the world that he will live and be happy and love who he wants to love. He accepts adulthood by accepting responsibility for himself and committing to the future he wants for himself.


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2 樓 akira akira0212
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哇.........瘋狂大好厲害喔..
這麼多的英文耶~~~你都看的懂喔~~~akira好羨慕喔>"<
真好真好

這篇文寫的真好耶~~~
把Rah的精神描寫的真棒^~^

總而言之Xephon是Xephon本來就不應該拿來和
EVA相互比較阿~~~
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3 樓 瘋狂唷唷 huisung
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※ 引述《akira0212 (akira)》之銘言:
> 哇.........瘋狂大好厲害喔..
> 這麼多的英文耶~~~你都看的懂喔~~~akira好羨慕喔>"<
> 真好真好
> 這篇文寫的真好耶~~~
> 把Rah的精神描寫的真棒^~^
> 總而言之Xephon是Xephon本來就不應該拿來和
> EVA相互比較阿~~~

= = ..是看的懂一點..
其他的是我自己的想法加進去的..
所以有些地方翻的不一樣... = ='
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4 樓 akira akira0212
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※ 引述《huisung (瘋狂唷唷)》之銘言:
> = = ..是看的懂一點..
> 其他的是我自己的想法加進去的..
> 所以有些地方翻的不一樣... = ='


可是就算沒有照翻~~還是一篇很棒的文阿
可以看出大大的辛勞和對xephon的熱愛阿~~~

真是令akira配服不已~~~~
GP一枚請大大收下m(_ _)m
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5 樓 瘋狂唷唷 huisung
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※ 引述《akira0212 (akira)》之銘言:
> 可是就算沒有照翻~~還是一篇很棒的文阿
> 可以看出大大的辛勞和對xephon的熱愛阿~~~
> 真是令akira配服不已~~~~
> GP一枚請大大收下m(_ _)m

過獎過獎了.....妳這樣我會不好意思的~~~~~~(羞)
也希望大家多提供好文章,讓我加入精華區^^
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6 樓 布大嬸 nakorimu1788
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※ 引述《akira0212 (akira)》之銘言:
> 哇.........瘋狂大好厲害喔..
> 這麼多的英文耶~~~你都看的懂喔~~~akira好羨慕喔>"<
> 真好真好
> 這篇文寫的真好耶~~~
> 把Rah的精神描寫的真棒^~^
> 總而言之Xephon是Xephon本來就不應該拿來和
> EVA相互比較阿~~~

為什麼不能拿來相互比較?
這兩部會被拿來比較的原因.除了EVA超紅之外
不就是翼神有很多地方看的到EVA的影子嗎?(是不是作者故意真的就不知道了@@)
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※ 引述《nakorimu1788 (布大嬸)》之銘言:
> 為什麼不能拿來相互比較?
> 這兩部會被拿來比較的原因.除了EVA超紅之外
> 不就是翼神有很多地方看的到EVA的影子嗎?(是不是作者故意真的就不知道了@@)

基本上不拿來互相比較的第一點~~是尊重動畫本身~~
一個新的idea被人拿來東比西比~感覺是很不好的~~~
比較的人什麼事都沒有做~光只出一張嘴~~~卻沒有看見人的努力
這點就已經不是很好了~~

再者~~何以斷定Xephon有EVA的影子??或許是EVA的設定中帶有Xephon
的影子~~因為在日本動畫的推出順續不代表~~一定就是先完成的~~有很
多時候有些好作品是因為在銷售評估時~考量他不會賣座~因此被打入冷
宮~~而後別人那這些好的IDEA或抄~或重製~~卻反而大賣~~這是因為觀眾
的需求與觀點已經改變的緣故~~所以電視台會趁機再將原作品推出也是常
有的事~~因此武斷的說誰抄誰~其實是很不明智的
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8 樓 祈.流星 raymond2002
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※ 引述《nakorimu1788 (布大嬸)》之銘言:
> 為什麼不能拿來相互比較?
> 這兩部會被拿來比較的原因.除了EVA超紅之外
> 不就是翼神有很多地方看的到EVA的影子嗎?(是不是作者故意真的就不知道了@@)

你這樣說,我也可以說EVA是參考機械人元祖鐵人28喔...
各有各的獨特之處...怎會有誰有誰的影子...
Rahxephon若比eva更早推出一定很受歡迎,
原因就是當時的社會對這種深奧而難理解的話題很有興趣...
現在的人喜歡簡單情節(容易明白嘛)和有點激鬥的...
(有堅韌的精神就可看下去...因為入面我內容完住不明白啊...
現在才播Rahxephon..........Rahxephon怎會成熱潮啦...
兩者的劇情內容也深奧...
而可惜RAHXEPHON比eva遲推出...所以很多人也說Rahxephon抄EVA啦

PS:凡事要舉出證據...不然怎叫人服你喔...
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9 樓 菲爾 cater734023
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我個人感覺 這兩部作品是內容上差了很多 EVA探討了人性 RhaX主要是感情 時間

與空間 不能說神麼誰抄誰 我個人壓根認為這兩部作品 是天差地別阿 另外一點介意

的是 人物角色的設定 哪就更不用說了 很多動漫上的角色個性上的設定 本來就會有

重疊的可能 大家會把淩人影射到真嗣 久遠影射到淩波 可是我覺得 這個影射根本就

不太客觀 因為也許其他的動漫也會出現阿 哪為神麼不說其他的也抄 個人認為抄襲

嗎 不 差很多
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EVA其實也是蠻有創新的.......光是那隻"母愛型生化怪獸"就夠創新....
為了保護自己的兒子而自己動起來............
被毀容而爆走...........
又為了保護自己的兒子而玩切西瓜遊戲...........
被敵人亂打胸部而把敵人吃了...........
吃完了還玩脫衣秀..........
都已經把主角生出來了又想把主角收回去...........

而且完全不一樣的動畫何必拿來比
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11 樓 燚龘 wweraiden
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最近把Rahx再看過一變後
又有了新的感受
本人一部卡通通常都只看一遍
Rahx是一部過去許多卡通都沒有出現過的風格
並不只是一昧的打打殺殺
而是多了許多的感性面
但是說真的也讓我聯想到EVA
EVA大約是我小學時看的
劇情忘的差不多囉
改天有空再拿來回味一遍
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